Created attachment 648 [details]
SElect All with inconsistent gray colorway in Plug-in Manager

I am inclined to call this bug invalid, Peter if the key point is the "inconsistency". 

The reason is that OS'es distinguish between a list or tree item that is fully selected and one that is selected but does not have focus. 

To see this, click just one effect row to select it, then TAB into the "Select All" button. "Select All" now has the blue border showing it has focus, so hitting ENTER now selects all the list. 

TAB again to "Clear All" and ENTER, which gives focus to "Clear All". ENTER now deselects all the list. 

You can see the same thing if you open Preferences then TAB into the selected pane. The node in the tree changes from blue to grey.    

AFAIK we just use the OS default for the selected, unfocused colour. Foobar2000 for example uses a light blue colour for selected, unfocused in a list, and adds a dark blue border when the row in the list is fully selected. It uses light grey for a selected, unfocused node in a tree, though.          

So selected, unfocused must be less prominent than fully selected. It would be legitimate to argue for a more prominent selected, unfocused colour (it is an enhancement, not a bug and the title must be more generalised).

Yes but, it's also inconsistent with the Microsoft do things - not that they are always the best paradigm but in this cae I think they are.

I was totally fooled yesterday because, on my Tosh laptop certainly, the subtle gray against the pabe colour us *very* hard to detect - so my main point is not that is inconsistent - more importantly it is a poor difficult to use GUI.

And why on earth would anyone choose two different colours t represent/indicate selection?

(In reply to Peter Sampson from comment #3)
Please show me an example in a Microsoft app where the fully selected and selected, not focused rows in a list are the same colour. That is what you are arguing for, is it?

Also look in our Undo History. Exactly the same happens. The same happens in the Edit Metadata Tags and Edit Labels tables if you use SHIFT + arrow keys to fully select cells (though in those cases that has no functionality).   

I do take the point that a naive user may think "Select All" in Plug-in Manager might not have done Select All. I noticed that first time I looked at the Plug-in Manager. It's an extreme case of a list like this. But it's not a bug, it's what we chose to happen, as far as I know. If we customise these colours, they will need to change everywhere (for consistency).

Created attachment 649 [details]
individual files selected in Windows Explorer

selected files highlighted in blue

Created attachment 650 [details]
Same folder in Widows Explorer after using Select All

The selected files are shown highlighted in the same blue colour as in the individual selections example

(In reply to Peter Sampson from comment #6)
> Same folder in Widows Explorer after using Select All
> 
> The selected files are shown highlighted in the same blue colour as in the 
> individual selections example
You can't use CTRL + A to Select All in "Plug-in Manager", but (as in Explorer) you can use SHIFT + arrow keys or modified click to fully select all the rows. 

Having fully selected all the items in an Explorer window, press TAB to move into to the control for the first column (if you are in Details view) or to move into the address bar dropdown (if you are in any of the other views). What colour are the selected items now?

(In reply to Gale Andrews from comment #7)
After using the SHIFT+arrow keys - the selected items are all the dark blue.

After tabbing into the button controls thay change from the dark blue to the pale gray (the same colourway as when you use the Select All button).

On my screen when I look at it straight on (my normal operating position) the light gray is extremely difficult to discern against the background pane.  

However if I duck my head down so the my eyes are just above the keyboard then the selected items appear a much darker gray - and curiously if I look down on the scren from above the courway appears inverted with the selected items being light gray and the unselected items and frame being dark gray.


Is there any particular reason why we don't allow Ctrl+A to be a context-dependent shortcut for the Select All button here?

(In reply to Peter Sampson from comment #8)
If you go back to a CRT monitor you won't see the colour changes with angle. 

I'm afraid I don't know if we can use the standard keyboard command for Select All in one of these tables. Is that your request, and if not, change the colour for "selected, not focused" to something more prominent?

(In reply to Gale Andrews from comment #9)
My request is "change the colour for "selected, not focused" to something more prominent".

In fact my request is to change it to the same colourway as for individually selected items in the list.

(In reply to Peter Sampson from comment #10)
> My request is to change it to the same colourway as for individually selected 
> items in the list.
I can't see that being agreed to. It would be very inconsistent with most other apps. 

Changed to Enh with title "Select All in Plug-in Manager should display selected unfocused rows in more prominent colour, or same as fully selected".

(In reply to Gale Andrews from comment #11)
"I can't see that being agreed to. It would be very inconsistent with most other apps. "

So if you don't like my Microsfot example try looking af Apple's iTunes another one of the major apps in the world.

closing this as Muse will soon be addressing upgrades to the Plug-in Manager